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Episode 108: Ruoyun Xu Killian
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Episode 108: Ruoyun Xu Killian

Branding for Good

I’ve long felt that branding and marketing are agnostic tools; that if they can be used to manipulate, persuade, convince, etc. then they can also be used to inspire, invite, and empower. But to brand and market for good requires a certain level of consciousness.

With that backdrop, I was excited to have my good friend, Ruoyun Xu Killian. Based here in Austin, Ruoyun has the heart of an activist and the branding mind of a genius. She and I discussed “branding for good” and both answered these three questions:

  • When and how should a brand take a stand on social issues? 

  • What is the difference between allyship and just being patronizing?

  • What is "human-centered marketing"? 

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The Third Way by Justin Foster
The Third Way Podcast, hosted by Justin Foster
The Third Way is a podcast hosted by Justin Foster, co-founder of Massive, philosopher, and creative. Justin challenges dualistic thinking across all areas of life and business. His 3D Conversations are deep-dives into a particular topic with an expert guest. His Manologues are solo stream of consciousness episodes where Justin shares recent epiphanies, challenges, or ideas he's been wrestling with.